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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 312 for the 12th of

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October 2014 Richard Saunders here with

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you from very nice Sydney Australia and

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nice weather this time of the year not

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too hot not too hot just lovely warm

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sunny days with the brain tomorrow maybe

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I should apply for the end job as the

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weather the weather man hmm I mean

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people are always saying how skeptical

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they are of the weather forecast so it

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goes together if it doesn't it hmm let's

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get back on to this week's show yes this

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week's show we have lots of reports

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interviews and reports from the

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paranormal convention that myself Joe

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alabaster and may not went to last

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weekend the paranormal and spiritual

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expo at casula here in Sydney a very

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interesting day a very worthwhile day

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for skeptics there was a group from

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Australian skeptics there who had a

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table and I was part of that and we gave

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away many many issues of the skeptic

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magazine which you hear advertised on

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this program from time to time we

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brought along summers and back issues

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and we were giving those away and people

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were really interested it was so nice to

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talk to well a lot of people who who are

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believers in all sorts of interesting

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things a lot of people wanted to find

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out more about Australians get skeptics

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they weren't sure what we were about

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somebody hissed at me which was

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interesting but there you go somebody

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claimed that they could see my water

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well maybe they could who knows but what

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a great day it was what an interesting

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day it was in dumb I was delighted to go

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there and give a talk of course so lots

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of reports about this adventure we're

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going to kick off with evidence please

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with Joe alabaster her take her take on

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the whole affair this was joe's first

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venture adventure expedition outing so

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to speak as a reporter she had a press

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person she was delighted and i think

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paranormal convention from her

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perspective very interesting Joe

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very interesting and thoughtful reports

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so looking forward to hearing her take

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on the paranormal Expo following that

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it's a weekend science from the Royal

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Institution of Australia in Adelaide

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beautiful Adelaide w WR I a u.s. dog

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today you would have fine outfit it is

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because they do outreach I really

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appreciate scientific institutions like

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the Royal Institution I Australia who do

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outreach get out there and try to

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communicate science to the public I

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think that's a very worthwhile thing to

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do then after that lots of interviews

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from the paranormal convention Maynard

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paranormal convention chatting to

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believers and stall holders and ghost

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hunters and UFO people all sorts of

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people I think every skeptic should

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listen to what believers have to say

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even if you consider this to be an

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education a look inside the mind

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thinking processes of these people why

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do they think this way I think you'll

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find this really interesting and i

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encourage you to listen to this week's

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show for that reason we can call

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ourselves skeptics all we want and we

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can think that do we know the better way

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and all the rest of it but you know what

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we really should have an understanding

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at least of what other people think and

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why they think it I find this really

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endlessly fascinating this whole realm

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of psychology you might want to say why

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people believe in things why do they do

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it what convinced them what's there a

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point of view an interesting episode of

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the skeptics on this week I think you'll

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agree now here's some good news for

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those people who live in Canberra and

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Capital Territory the skeptics guide to

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the universe plus special guest George

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rub will be visiting Canberra on Tuesday

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the twenty fifth of November what's more

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you can come and meet them they're going

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to be appearing at the Finkel theatre

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research building 131 good heavens and

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the blurb says come and join the cast

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the skeptics guide to the universe and

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special guest George Rab for a Q&A

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session about science skepticism and

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anything else that comes to mind want to

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find out more want to come along want to

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be part of the night with a skeptic's

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guide to the universe with guest George

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you and what a night it will be because

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after you get your fill of science and

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fun from the skeptics guide to the

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and experience George rub live wow I

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love going to see George rub concerts

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they're fun they're interesting there

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the music is fantastic you know his song

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so well far for example it is a great

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song by George her up of course he does

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the geologic podcast and the admission

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is free and that will be from about

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eight o'clock on tuesday the 25th or

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november so George rub and the skeptic

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guard the universe and I'll even come

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along as well I wouldn't miss this folks

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I would not miss this I'm going to be

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joining the skeptics guide to the

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universe and George shrub for the whole

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evening what a lot of fun that should be

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again for more information about this

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fantastic night of skepticism and songs

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and all sorts of things canberra

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website to run to and just in case you

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can't get enough for skepticism I'll be

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returning to Canberra on Wednesday the

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tenth of december for a talk entitled

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the making of the vaccination chronicles

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and our ghosts scared of skeptics at

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sort of a double feature a double

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making my latest documentary the

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vaccination chronicles how did I go

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about it who did I seek what's editing

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involved and all that sort of stuff plus

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plus i'll be giving a talk about are

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ghosts scared of skeptics and will be

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going into the australian skeptics

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$100,000 challenge lots of fun i hope to

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see you there again just visit w WR

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skeptics or gay you i shall be chatting

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coming weeks i'm sure

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and thank you to Canberra skeptics for

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inviting me to come along and talk and

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well what a great job they do they're so

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that's the capital Canberra is the

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capital of Australia so I guess when you

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about time I mentioned the fact that my

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Melbourne and Sydney the website to go

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the coming weeks james randi at 86 ahead

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he speaks folks still going strong well

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he certainly is amazing yes get your

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starring st you and George Arab and dr.

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chaser are going to be there from an ABC

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interesting people and Richard was

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chatting with attendees and preparing

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the workshops and talks that were being

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be skeptical about they'll put my hand

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things they were talking about or

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selling and they were a very bunch ghost

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benign actually I'm the sort of skeptic

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paranormal side of things quite fun

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harmless I worry about people handing

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the up-and-up and I get a little

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concerned as to whether claims to be

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able to contact the deceased interfere

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against so the first workshop for the

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a participatory exercise but I decided

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on the spot that I'd take the

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opportunity to join in and experience

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everything that I could I hope that

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nobody would mind a non-believer taking

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part in what was about to happen if such

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a thing as negative or cynical vibes

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exists I aimed not to omit them I did my

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best to be open to whatever occurred and

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to join in rather than poopoo things

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that I don't necessarily believe him so

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down we went we formed a seated circle

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around the map some people will remove

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their shoes and got comfortable Kylie

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exclaimed that we were going to do some

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summoning and that should give us each a

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tarot card to use as a portal to the

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spirit plane we've begun the ritual with

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some breathing exercises during which we

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were to consider a person who had passed

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away that we wish to get in contact with

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and a question that we'd like to ask

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them the incense was heady and I focused

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on my breath so I didn't really spend a

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great deal of time paying attention to

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what the other participants were up to

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but the room seemed incredibly calm then

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Kylie began to open a witch's circle now

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this isn't a subject that I know too

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much about but she recited incantations

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blessings and called upon the spirits of

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air and fire and when she did this we

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joined in with a little bit of chanting

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bones were struck together something was

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set on fire and we were ready Kylie

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walked around the circle with the deck

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Tara

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cards held out face down and we were

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instructed to choose one each on my

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chosen person who'd passed away that I

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thought I'd like to have a conversation

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with was my beloved grandmother and the

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tarot card that I'd selected was the

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High Priestess the character in this

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card struck me as rather matriarchal a

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wise woman as I consider my grandmother

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to be some others particularly those who

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had cards from the Minor Arcana sort of

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the equivalent of number cards rather

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than face cards didn't see immediate

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relevance in the cards that they'd

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selected Kylie invited us to think about

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our first impressions on seeing the

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pictures on the cards studied the colors

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and details and offered to chat with

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people throughout the day if they wanted

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a hand interpreting their selection next

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we use the cards to create portals to

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the spirit world we followed Carly's

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instructions and examined them with our

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regular eyes then help them to our

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forwards and examine them with our third

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eyes we put our cards done and visualize

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them with our third eyes then imagine

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them growing to the size of a painting

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to the size of a doorway into a doorway

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which we then step through I found this

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fairly simple to go along with it was

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much like participating in guided

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meditation and i went with whatever came

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to mind as we were taken through a

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scenario of walking into our cards

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through a landscape this was the spirit

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world then toward our deceased loved one

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who we conversed with the background of

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my cards seemed to be tropical fruit so

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I imagined walking through a plantation

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of pineapples which became a very odd

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forest where I eventually met my

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grandmother I remember my grandmother

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fairly well I think although I'm aware

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that our memories aren't entirely

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reliable I imagined a fairly believable

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conversation with her she wasn't a

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believer when she was alive and

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acquiesced in our conversation that she

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was a composite of my memory and

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imagination then Kylie guided us through

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saying goodbye heading back across our

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landscapes back through our doorways and

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told us to shrink the cards back down to

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their actual size again the circle was

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closed and we totaled off with our car

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the next session communicating with the

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dead modern techniques and Victorian

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twists was with Rob and an from eastern

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states paranormal a paranormal

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investigative team based in New South

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Wales Robin Anwar very affable speakers

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and presented us with an overview of

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their experiences attempting to

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communicate with the dead and the

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techniques they've used to do so we were

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taken through some audio of different

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techniques they have used in reputably

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haunted locations to contact the spirits

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singing stomping chanting singing in

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tones which clash annan rob played us

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some recordings of EVPs electronic voice

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phenomena which a sounds found on

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electronic recordings that some

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interpret as spirit voices now the audio

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recordings were varying quality and I

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cannot say whether or not what we were

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hearing where the voices of spirits but

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I was incredibly aware of the concept of

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peridot Leo throughout this presentation

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peridot Leo being our tendency to

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recognize patterns within random stimuli

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with or without suggestion it's an

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interesting phenomenon we hear phrases

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when songs are played backwards when we

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see faces in the surface of Mars I feel

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that a desire or expectation to see or

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hear something sometimes combined with

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suggestion can account for many things

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which are heard in EVPs or seen in

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spirit photography which was also

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presented in eastern states paranormals

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talk toward the end we were given an

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interesting rundown on the history of

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different modalities which people views

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to attempt to contact the spirit world

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Ouija boards tipping tables and the like

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as a skeptical type I feel that the

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ideomotor effect comes into a play with

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both of these things are being used but

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I found them to be fascinating

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curiosities annan Rob struck me as kind

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and good human people now curious about

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contacting the other side though very

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respectful in their approach and they

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wish to help others experiencing other

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worldly concerns after a break for lunch

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was the draw card of the expert Mitchell

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Coombs builders Australia's both trusted

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psychic medium and a

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2011 psychic of the year Mitchell Combs

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is an author appears on radio and

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television regularly and was one of the

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contestants on season one of the one a

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reality TV show pitting psychics against

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one another on which our very own

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Richard Saunders was a judge this was

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the only talk of the day in which the

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expo organizers had to enforce seating

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arrangements based on which tickets

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people had purchased I was behind the

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Platinum and Gold Pass holders in the

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media row all up there would have been

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around 150 people while I've seen

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broadcasts of many psychic shows on

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television and YouTube and have seen

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Mitchell himself on daytime television

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this is the first time I'd been an

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audience member now it's a very

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different experience Mitchell is a very

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charismatic speaker his high paced

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energetic and very good at engaging his

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audience after it introduced himself and

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told an anecdote about a client who

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wasn't certain she'd had an experience

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with contact from the afterlife of

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course she had Mitchell asked us to help

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him raise the energy of the room by

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standing up stomping our feet clapping

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our hands and cheering now reminded me

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of being in an evangelical church or

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faith healing service the crowd went

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wild and excitement in the room was

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palpable Mitchell then seemed to receive

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messages from the spirit world to be

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passed on to members of the audience I

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found this part a little difficult a

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couple of days prior I'd been chatting

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with Richard of how the talk he was

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going to present and one of the things

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he covered were questions that psychos

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can use to gain more information from

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the audience I'm getting an a name or

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I'm seeing a blue car etc Mitchell did

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get an a name but the car or motorcycle

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was red the audience did seem to get a

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lot out of his readings though there was

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a lot of laughter a few tears I'd

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recommend that anyone's skeptical of

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psychics attend such a show experiencing

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the emotion in the room gave me a

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greater appreciation of how psychics can

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interact with their audiences usually

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when I see readings done I'm able to

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rewind rewatch and analyze while removed

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from the situation

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recordings are very different to observe

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than live shows next up with Sue Bishop

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presenting workshop on energetic healing

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are your thoughts and feelings making

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you sick sue is a metaphysician psychic

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teacher and author and is the co-founder

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and director of the Kiara College of

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metaphysics which offers courses on

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metaphysics parapsychology spiritual

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healing and intuitive sciences now this

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session was the closest the expo came to

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presenting what I felt was questionable

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health advice I did struggle with some

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of it a little sue believes that blocked

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chakras can be responsible for disease

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that tending to the spiritual self can

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prevent disease from taking hold and the

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energetic healing can be conducted

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attending to her persons auras to manage

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their wellness sitting and listening to

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her speak about these things and tell us

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of how she prevented the diabetes that

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she had a genetic predisposition toward

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by making lifestyle changes and letting

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go of troubles from her past I

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frequently wanted to asked her how she

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knew such things but interrupting our

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talk would have been very rude I be

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curious to speak with her more about her

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beliefs in the future though Suzanne had

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us come to the stage for an energetic

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healing workshop we were to pair up with

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strangers and prepare for the first

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exercise and my partner was a sweet

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woman around my own age and I found

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myself worrying that she'd feel that I

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was being somewhat disingenuous being a

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skeptic taking part in something which

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might be important to her I took part in

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the exercises with good intentions

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absolutely wished oh well and follow the

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instructions that Sue gave as best as I

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could first was an exercise in which we

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were instructed to take turns channeling

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white light into our crown chakras then

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focusing to make that light either cool

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faster-moving blue or warm slow red then

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passing it to our partners who had to

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guess what color light they'd been given

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my partner did the channeling first and

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was surprised that I'd guessed correctly

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that she'd aimed to pass

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me blue I'll frankly the odds were 5050

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to begin with then I took into

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consideration that cool blue was much

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more appealing under the hot stage

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lights and that my partner had an

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expression on her face which made her

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appear more likely to be thinking of

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cool flowing blue than a hot slow red

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then it was my turn to pass the color

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I'm not entirely sure what white light

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or energy is it isn't visible light but

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I know the crown chakra is about the

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forward and so I imagined a beam of

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white light entering my forward moving

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through my body into my hands and

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turning into a cool calm flowing blue I

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made a gesture of passing it to my

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partner and imagined it moving into her

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hands and she told me it was blue again

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I'm inclined to put it down to

548
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probability environmental influences and

549
00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:19,030
visual clues and perhaps the way sue

550
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:20,500
described the two colors the shoes

551
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:22,750
giving us our instructions maybe one

552
00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:24,370
would seem more appealing than the other

553
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,070
I didn't have an opportunity to note the

554
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:30,640
trends of the entire group a next

555
00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:33,130
exercise was to do the same but instead

556
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of passing a color we were to pass an

557
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emotion from our memories sue asked us

558
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to keep our faces neutral as we record a

559
00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:43,090
time of joy to be visualized as yellow

560
00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:45,940
or hurt which was to be visualized as a

561
00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:49,900
hot murky read my partner went first and

562
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:52,840
I watched her concentrate her face did

563
00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:54,790
remain fairly neutral but she took some

564
00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:56,590
time before she was ready to pass to me

565
00:24:01,710 --> 00:23:58,420
and her body language struck me as quite

566
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,720
unhappy I was actually quite concerned

567
00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:04,240
for her when she made a passing gesture

568
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:06,100
to me I told her though felt that things

569
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:07,930
weren't too good for her and asked if

570
00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:10,630
she was okay now she was incredibly

571
00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:12,670
apologetic and all I could think to do

572
00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:15,100
was reassure her that I was fine just

573
00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:17,230
concerned for her and opted to send her

574
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:20,200
joy in return and she sent a little

575
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fragile and sad to me perhaps you'd been

576
00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:24,130
through hard times and I hope that my

577
00:24:29,790 --> 00:24:25,780
good intentions were more important

578
00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:29,800
somehow than my lack of belief then we

579
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:31,960
moved to the front row of seats partner

580
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:33,730
marble one standing behind partner

581
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,890
number two and perform to what we were

582
00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:38,460
told was a short energy healing session

583
00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:40,600
there was a lot to it

584
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white universal energy from above

585
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grounding earth energy from below

586
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Healing angels standing behind us

587
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chakras or as my azum many different

588
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colors silver filaments fo had a casher

589
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and other naughty s this was complicated

590
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,460
stuff soo talked us through everything

591
00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:04,240
she spoke of energy to visualize what

592
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:06,220
each aura looked like that we were to

593
00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:08,110
transfer energy from various places

594
00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:10,300
through our selves and to the person we

595
00:25:15,930 --> 00:25:13,540
were healing massaging their auras /

596
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:15,940
method was literal we placed hands on

597
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one another then raised them to where

598
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each oral is meant to exist and sort of

599
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:23,110
smooth them out and when my partner was

600
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being the healer i SAT peacefully in my

601
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seat and listen to those descriptions of

602
00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:29,740
colors and patterns and lights and

603
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,390
frankly it was quite pleasant to just

604
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:34,000
sit passively when asked how I thought

605
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:35,890
afterwards I truthfully replied that I

606
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,690
was ready to get into bed it had been a

607
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:40,380
long day and I welcomed more stillness

608
00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:42,730
next was my turn to stand while my

609
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:45,460
partner SAT and I imagined light coming

610
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,730
from above energy coming from below

611
00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:50,080
somebody is standing behind me passing

612
00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:51,820
general healing sort of vibes through me

613
00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:54,100
I put my hands under my partner's

614
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:56,200
shorter's smoothed out what are to me

615
00:26:00,840 --> 00:25:58,810
imaginary order us and generally hope

616
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:00,850
that she was well and she seemed happy

617
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,660
afterwards one thing I really want to

618
00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:06,400
say about the energy healing workshop

619
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:09,340
and to sue's credit in my mind she did

620
00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:11,290
mention several times that one of the

621
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:12,520
things people do when they're

622
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:15,310
experiencing the onset of disease is to

623
00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:17,050
dismiss thoughts of going to their

624
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:19,960
doctor and that this was a problem and I

625
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:22,390
agree with her strongly here if things

626
00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:26,530
are potentially a Miss see your GP the

627
00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:28,540
last hook of the day was from Richard

628
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:30,940
Saunders and I'd really like to credit

629
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:32,590
the organisers of the Australian

630
00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:34,390
paranormal and spiritual expo for

631
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,980
inviting a skeptic to speak at their

632
00:26:40,290 --> 00:26:38,320
event I think that it's a testament to

633
00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:40,300
their sense of inquiry that that include

634
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:42,040
the perspective of a non believer in

635
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,130
their program I really wasn't sure how

636
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,700
Richards talk would be received after

637
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:50,320
introducing himself explaining his

638
00:26:52,780 --> 00:26:51,820
background and what the Australian

639
00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:52,790
skeptics and

640
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:55,460
quite a skeptical movements do Richard

641
00:26:59,290 --> 00:26:57,410
post some questions about the nature of

642
00:27:01,270 --> 00:26:59,300
ghosts and spirits and the mechanisms

643
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:01,280
people use to detect and communicate

644
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:03,770
with them and discuss the fal ability of

645
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:06,410
human memory and perception noted some

646
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:08,210
questions that psychics who aren't on

647
00:27:11,620 --> 00:27:09,410
the up-and-up can use to gain

648
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,630
information when cold reading and

649
00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:14,240
explained how horrid earlier works it

650
00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:17,060
was all really well received I notice a

651
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:18,680
lot of people in the audience nodding

652
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,900
along an agreement a few are higher

653
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:22,880
moments and a few giggles at rich's

654
00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:25,910
jokes now we had a few people approach

655
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:27,500
us afterwards to say that they were

656
00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:29,510
happy that we were there this is

657
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:30,980
including my partner from the energy

658
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:33,110
healing workshop who I was glad to have

659
00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:34,580
the opportunity to have a bit of a

660
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:36,590
debriefing chat with and let her know

661
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:39,290
that I wish her the best so that was my

662
00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:41,240
day at the Australian paranormal and

663
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:44,990
spiritual Expo now I can't honestly say

664
00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:47,470
that I saw any evidence of an afterlife

665
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:49,790
anybody's ability to communicate with

666
00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:51,980
those who have passed on the existence

667
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:53,870
of psychic energy spirits or the

668
00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:56,090
paranormal in general but I did

669
00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:57,860
encounter many people who are welcoming

670
00:28:02,860 --> 00:28:00,830
good-humored and kind-hearted so thank

671
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,870
you everyone I saw at the expo it was a

672
00:28:20,139 --> 00:28:04,940
lot of fun and I hope to see you again

673
00:28:26,299 --> 00:28:23,479
ein grosses hello an ally Dawson to her

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00:28:27,889 --> 00:28:26,309
that the skeptics on podcasts roasted

675
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:27,899
here this is alvin Deutschland and in

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skeptic of a band gift a vital

677
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information newborns on the skeptic a

678
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magazine reserved v.v.v point in kv OOP

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a punk talk eat vida holla vay vay vay

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won't give a rupee Paul talk hold on to

681
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:46,109
love it say on facebook twitter and

682
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:01,120
welcome to a week in science from RI oz

683
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,550
bringing you the science in need to know

684
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:06,320
elephant hunting Americans and muddled

685
00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:08,810
ancient Chinese people we've learned a

686
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:11,240
lot about archaeology recently it's time

687
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:13,310
to ask the question what's new in old

688
00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:19,240
believe it or not ancient Americans

689
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:22,070
hunted elephants a new archaeological

690
00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:25,040
site in Mexico has the 13 thousand four

691
00:29:30,430 --> 00:29:27,590
hundred year old remains of a camp of

692
00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:30,440
the mysterious Clovis people and in it

693
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:33,020
were parts of two gone for Thea's a type

694
00:29:38,380 --> 00:29:35,690
of extinct elephant the Clovis culture

695
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:38,390
is identified by distinctive stone tools

696
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:40,610
long thought to be the oldest in the

697
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:42,860
Americas and Clovis people are probably

698
00:29:47,770 --> 00:29:45,110
the ancestors of all modern American

699
00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:47,780
indigenous people remains of mammoths

700
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:50,390
mastodons and bison have also been found

701
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:52,910
in Clovis camps suggesting they had a

702
00:29:58,570 --> 00:29:56,330
wide diet including huge prey the New

703
00:30:00,850 --> 00:29:58,580
Mexican finds also suggest that the

704
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:00,860
Clovis culture may have originated in

705
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:04,580
the American Southwest a skull from

706
00:30:08,169 --> 00:30:06,710
China suggests that human evolution may

707
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:08,179
not have been as simple as we first

708
00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:10,970
thought a one hundred thousand year old

709
00:30:16,419 --> 00:30:13,220
archaic human skull was found in

710
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:16,429
northeastern China 35 years ago but

711
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:18,920
recent micro CT scans of the temporal

712
00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:21,530
bone reveals that the inner ear closely

713
00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:23,630
resembles that of Neanderthals while

714
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:25,900
other bones found at the site do not

715
00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:28,250
until this intriguing find it was

716
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,660
thought that modern people in Asia

717
00:30:35,530 --> 00:30:32,240
arrived from elsewhere and displaced

718
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,540
more archaic humans but now this fine

719
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:38,240
suggests a more complicated picture with

720
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:40,730
mixed migration patterns and possible

721
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:42,410
into breeding between the modern

722
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:43,910
arrivals and the more ancient

723
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:47,450
inhabitants and now for fast facts about

724
00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:50,900
recent archaeological discoveries human

725
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,030
footprints found in a Romanian cave may

726
00:30:58,390 --> 00:30:55,520
be 20,000 years older than we first

727
00:31:00,910 --> 00:30:58,400
thought coming in at an astounding 36

728
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:00,920
and a half thousand years old a Roman

729
00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:03,110
site in County Durham in the north of

730
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:04,670
England has been described as the

731
00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:06,740
Pompeii of the North with fines

732
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:09,020
including a beautiful one thousand eight

733
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:11,630
hundred year old silver ring that is one

734
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:13,580
of the earliest pieces of evidence of

735
00:31:17,410 --> 00:31:15,500
Christianity in Roman Britain an

736
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:17,420
excavation in northern Sudan has

737
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:20,360
revealed a settlement estimated to be 70

738
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:22,760
thousand years old with sizable

739
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:24,830
permanent structures well adapted to a

740
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:26,710
wetland environment and

741
00:31:30,899 --> 00:31:28,690
three and a half to four thousand year

742
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:30,909
old rock art in Peru peppered with

743
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:33,820
astronomical symbols may be the world's

744
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:36,580
oldest astronomy lab that's it for this

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00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:38,590
a week in science for more information

746
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,409
on recent archaeological discoveries go

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760
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761
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macleod years may not spooky action

762
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:36,840
okay look I'm just with two people who

763
00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:38,409
not quite sure how helpful they might be

764
00:32:41,999 --> 00:32:40,059
believing me I'm helping no one today

765
00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:42,009
what about you've seen of interest here

766
00:32:47,159 --> 00:32:45,820
out at casula I don't quite know yet to

767
00:32:49,649 --> 00:32:47,169
be honest II buddy just got in here and

768
00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:49,659
done a lab okay but you look think I'm

769
00:32:51,869 --> 00:32:50,860
talking to some ghost hunters you're

770
00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:51,879
going to get some crystals you're gonna

771
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:53,559
get your all work toric lens over there

772
00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:55,570
what do you in do no more into the ghost

773
00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:56,980
hunting in the paranormal side of things

774
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:59,110
definitely yeah yeah have you done it

775
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:01,720
yourself I heats yeah quite a lot okay

776
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:04,659
and you're also one oh yeah yep okay

777
00:33:08,009 --> 00:33:06,580
yeah I'm what's your most powerful

778
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:08,019
experience you've had would you want to

779
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:10,990
share with us oh yeah sure there's

780
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:13,210
probably been a few too many to to

781
00:33:16,619 --> 00:33:15,490
explain i think but probably one of the

782
00:33:20,369 --> 00:33:16,629
best ones was one that we both

783
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:20,379
experienced where we're working later at

784
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:24,850
work one night and two three am or what

785
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:26,830
about nine eight pm-9 p.m. something

786
00:33:33,419 --> 00:33:30,720
like that and we both felt and heard

787
00:33:36,239 --> 00:33:33,429
some type of creature run across the

788
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,249
floor and I felt it rushed past me and

789
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:37,600
that it ran up the wall we heard

790
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,690
thumping up the wall and then almost as

791
00:33:43,139 --> 00:33:41,679
though it went backwards across the

792
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:43,149
ceiling back in the direction it came

793
00:33:46,379 --> 00:33:45,129
from okay so it was mainly an auditory

794
00:33:49,259 --> 00:33:46,389
thing would you just see anything at all

795
00:33:51,149 --> 00:33:49,269
didn't see anything that time but heard

796
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:51,159
it definitely and felt I felt a rush

797
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:54,580
past me as well okay any idea what it

798
00:33:58,409 --> 00:33:55,990
might have been is there any history of

799
00:34:00,570 --> 00:33:58,419
that in the place yeah it's a pretty

800
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:00,580
pretty hearted place up right that's

801
00:34:03,299 --> 00:34:01,929
good just just what you need to make in

802
00:34:04,859 --> 00:34:03,309
there this year definitely yeah but

803
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:04,869
needless to say I think we packed up and

804
00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:06,220
got out of there as quickly as possible

805
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:08,500
okay yeah it's like okay look I think

806
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:09,849
we've discovered enough for one night

807
00:34:13,799 --> 00:34:11,950
yeah they're below I've been talking to

808
00:34:15,569 --> 00:34:13,809
a few ghost hunters tonight and talk

809
00:34:17,309 --> 00:34:15,579
about the very rare visual one you don't

810
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:17,319
often to get a visual scientist that

811
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:19,000
ever happened to you guys it's same

812
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:21,849
place different night both times this

813
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:23,530
was that we weren't actively hunting we

814
00:34:28,919 --> 00:34:26,049
were just working at the time the same

815
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:28,929
same place as we said this place has got

816
00:34:32,819 --> 00:34:30,490
a bit of a history to it it was an old

817
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:32,829
nursing home being converted into a

818
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,520
office space type thing and a different

819
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,679
night

820
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:39,750
we were working it's the same room we

821
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:41,010
were working in actually we're setting

822
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,450
it up for AV fit out and I noticed we've

823
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:47,159
got a security guard who's working in

824
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:48,899
the in the building at the same time and

825
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:50,790
I noticed a figure walk past the door

826
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,470
and I thought oh it's a security guard

827
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:55,260
look black to me and just walk past our

828
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,500
door and I look to my friend and he said

829
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,599
and he looked at me like as in you know

830
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,099
did you see someone walk past i said

831
00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:04,200
yeah someone walked past the door and he

832
00:35:09,049 --> 00:35:07,349
said alright so i got up to the chickens

833
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:09,059
you know say good a house they might be

834
00:35:14,059 --> 00:35:12,930
and there was no one there and down the

835
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:14,069
other way there's nowhere else to go

836
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:15,450
there's just a little break room there

837
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:17,490
was no one in the room I got back and

838
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,260
said yeah it was that the security guard

839
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:21,480
he said no they weren't dressed in black

840
00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:22,890
though we're all in white so we've both

841
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:25,859
seen something different oh I excite

842
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:27,630
he'd seen all white I'd seen all black

843
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:29,430
and it just like a shadow going past

844
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:31,470
quickly and when I spoke as I'm speaking

845
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:33,030
to him I look out the window and there's

846
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:34,559
a security guard down in the car park

847
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:36,660
talking to someone else so that was a

848
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:38,670
whole unexplained that way again was the

849
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,410
goosebumps and all rights time to pack

850
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:43,200
up and go home yeah and I guess you got

851
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:44,970
new node in theory as to what's going on

852
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,140
they're really heavy and that's what

853
00:35:50,299 --> 00:35:47,940
sparked my interest and got me into

854
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:50,309
looking at starting to go into the whole

855
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:51,960
hunting thing and starting to find some

856
00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:53,670
answers for myself as what's going on

857
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,470
here say look I hope you have a very

858
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:57,119
informative day today because this is

859
00:36:00,559 --> 00:35:58,770
where the industry in Australia is today

860
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:00,569
the ghost hunting industry yeah

861
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:04,500
definitely ok of course at when you come

862
00:36:07,819 --> 00:36:06,089
to a paranormal Expo you see lots of

863
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,829
great people but man you've got the good

864
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:09,240
outfit there could you explain your

865
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:11,220
outfit for the listener sure I'm

866
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:12,390
actually dressed up as a ghostbuster

867
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:15,180
from the movie ghostbusters we've got

868
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,700
the proton pack and PKE meter and the

869
00:36:22,309 --> 00:36:19,859
trap and did you make much of it

870
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:22,319
yourself so the proton pack and the tree

871
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:24,500
no one yeah all made from a kit

872
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:26,180
and everything else is basically boy

873
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:28,070
look I've got to say the way you made up

874
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:29,300
the kids great all the lights are

875
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:31,010
flashing it's going off there and do you

876
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:32,570
actually work for ghost hunting outfit I

877
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:34,040
sure do actually work for a pee who

878
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:36,770
helped organize this oh I'm one of their

879
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:38,870
paranormal investigators and is it

880
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:41,450
normally getting people to go on tues or

881
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:42,950
do you normally find people that are

882
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,450
kind of clients that want you to have a

883
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:46,400
look around their place so we handle

884
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,200
more tours we don't really do private

885
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:50,510
investigations as such more chores we

886
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:52,130
have a couple of set venues that we do

887
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:54,710
on a monthly basis we do think we're in

888
00:36:57,610 --> 00:36:55,820
one of them are linked we are we're at

889
00:36:59,980 --> 00:36:57,620
kuchulu powerhouse which is my personal

890
00:37:01,810 --> 00:36:59,990
favorite of the three we do lots of

891
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:01,820
weird stuff happens here we've recently

892
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:03,350
done our documentary which is premiering

893
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,110
tonight so now tell us about the casual

894
00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:08,240
a powerhouse history of spookiness

895
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:10,220
because I believe it was a powerhouse

896
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:12,290
but it's okie boogie time comes from

897
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:15,140
before that yes so before it was passed

898
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:16,730
out before it was a power station there

899
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:18,490
was actually a picnic around him and

900
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,510
during the time it's a picnic around

901
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:21,680
there was quite a few drownings in the

902
00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:23,690
river outside there's also a couple of

903
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:25,160
deaths attributed to the train station

904
00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:27,650
outside as well yeah which is probably

905
00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:29,120
why that one reason why the level

906
00:37:33,340 --> 00:37:30,680
crossing is no longer there that's very

907
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:33,350
true yes and like it is a very important

908
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,780
now now I but with a go look what do you

909
00:37:39,580 --> 00:37:37,760
think of ghostbusters 2 you know it's

910
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:39,590
just between you and me I liked it I

911
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:41,810
liked it I liked both of them equally oh

912
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,210
well oh that's a very big fan that's a

913
00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:46,640
very balanced reply that's good well

914
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:47,720
thank you very much have a great day

915
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:49,430
here people just gonna get me coming up

916
00:37:53,350 --> 00:37:50,510
to you cuz you've got the outfit

917
00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:53,360
absolutely well one of the great tables

918
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:54,860
here i'm in front of the newcastle ghost

919
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:56,900
tours now being an overcast rien the

920
00:38:00,760 --> 00:37:58,690
spookiest end of town for me would be

921
00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:00,770
newcastle west on a saturday night can

922
00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:02,750
get pretty ugly but Newcastle East has

923
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:05,060
quite a ghost history doesn't it yes and

924
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:07,070
newcastle west can still get pretty ugly

925
00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:08,990
on a Saturday night but but they're

926
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:10,700
mainly the living people that's exactly

927
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,010
right yes Newcastle East is probably our

928
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:15,680
most historic end of town and of course

929
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:18,710
the first settled end of town San what

930
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:20,450
is the building to go to if you had to

931
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,180
get up some sort of unusual vibe well

932
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:25,040
you've got Ford scratch Lee of course

933
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:27,350
which has all of that history up there

934
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:29,450
the old lock up building which is now a

935
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,430
contemporary art gallery also has a

936
00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:34,160
great history fantastic to go and visit

937
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,390
if you want to have a look at the old

938
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:36,400
jail cells

939
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:38,770
set up the old Locker but even just a

940
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,920
walk around town up the old asylum site

941
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:44,170
as well well fantastic areas

942
00:38:48,570 --> 00:38:46,090
christchurch cathedral could go on for

943
00:38:49,610 --> 00:38:48,580
hours this goes up around the cathedral

944
00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:49,620
that's where they used to have the

945
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:51,820
graveyard that they had to move that's

946
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:53,590
right no the graveyard is still there

947
00:38:58,290 --> 00:38:56,710
there's over 3300 body's still in turn

948
00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:58,300
the headstones they had to move I'm

949
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:00,250
sorry yes all the headstones have been

950
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:02,590
moved except for a few well okay and

951
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:05,290
what is any personal experience you can

952
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:07,120
relate to us just briefly of something

953
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,020
that's happened to you while you've been

954
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:10,000
living in Newcastle and wandering around

955
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:12,460
in these areas well I take people on

956
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,740
tours there all the time I do the ghost

957
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:16,480
tour through the East End so we have

958
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:18,850
people who have experiences all the time

959
00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:21,310
especially at Fletcher Park up on the

960
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:23,500
hill overlooking the water the only

961
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:25,090
place in Newcastle that has a statue I

962
00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:27,190
believe exactly right of mr. James

963
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:29,080
Fletcher that's right but there are

964
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:31,240
ladies ghostly ladies that come and

965
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:34,030
visit every so often it's a well-known

966
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:35,670
spot where people have actually

967
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:38,290
unfortunately ended their life by

968
00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:41,170
suiciding or jumping off the cliff so it

969
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:43,300
is full of spooky energy and sometimes

970
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:44,710
when people are sitting there on the

971
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:47,140
benches watching the beautiful moon rise

972
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:50,200
over the wonderful beach there they have

973
00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:52,450
a bit of an experience most definitely

974
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:54,340
and that that is one of the reason you

975
00:39:58,110 --> 00:39:56,530
may be asking why people have chose to

976
00:40:00,000 --> 00:39:58,120
in their life there it is unfortunately

977
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:00,010
adjacent to the psychiatric center for

978
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:01,930
many years and that was partially how

979
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:03,910
the reason why they've moved it that's

980
00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:07,030
exactly right but history even before

981
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:09,100
that even before key Edward Park was

982
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:10,990
actually King Edward park we have

983
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:12,850
stories of people wandering around that

984
00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:14,950
area and actually losing their footing

985
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:17,620
off the cliff edge falling losing their

986
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:20,650
life lovers meeting there to end their

987
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:23,470
lives in lovers trysts all these amazing

988
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:26,050
bits of history there so yeah and I see

989
00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:27,790
you've got a lot of that put together in

990
00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:29,950
an anecdotal book over there yes yes

991
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:31,900
Newcastle ghost stories which I am

992
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,090
selling at the moment it is a mixture of

993
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:36,880
tales of people who have had experiences

994
00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:39,730
today in this day and age but also we

995
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:43,060
have articles from the newspapers early

996
00:40:48,789 --> 00:40:45,610
newspapers dating back to the late 1800s

997
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,799
where it was really extremely

998
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:51,480
something to do to have ghost stories

999
00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:54,210
published in the newspapers it was like

1000
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:56,190
part of legitimate news like at least

1001
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:57,450
once a week you'd want something in

1002
00:41:01,279 --> 00:40:59,130
there most definitely most definitely

1003
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:01,289
okay well thank you very much and what

1004
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,339
sort of people are coming up to you

1005
00:41:06,260 --> 00:41:04,020
today apart from idiots like myself

1006
00:41:07,819 --> 00:41:06,270
going out of an hour I think people who

1007
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:07,829
are interested to see what everyone has

1008
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:10,470
to offer first of all and yeah we're

1009
00:41:14,059 --> 00:41:11,849
getting some sales through which is

1010
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:14,069
really great reading the word where is

1011
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:15,930
that great scent coming from normally at

1012
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,849
paranormal sense you know you get great

1013
00:41:20,809 --> 00:41:19,440
sense from everywhere is less really

1014
00:41:23,029 --> 00:41:20,819
good sense coming from that smell where

1015
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:23,039
is it I don't know alright isn't what I

1016
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:24,930
ever knew what is it maybe it's my

1017
00:41:30,380 --> 00:41:28,020
perfume I don't know it was that candle

1018
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:30,390
what about his location in beautiful

1019
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:32,010
candles straight behind that's what it

1020
00:41:36,289 --> 00:41:33,960
is thank you very much thank you ghost

1021
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:36,299
your table basically yes i'm here with

1022
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:37,770
julie and what are you up to here today

1023
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,470
Julie I'm selling eco-friendly soy

1024
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,960
candles because I have been smelling

1025
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:44,579
some really nice sense in the room and

1026
00:41:48,799 --> 00:41:46,859
yours are probably some of them what

1027
00:41:50,059 --> 00:41:48,809
sort of sense of you got here and what

1028
00:41:51,319 --> 00:41:50,069
sort of claims being made about these

1029
00:41:54,049 --> 00:41:51,329
scents apart from the fact they smell

1030
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:54,059
nice ok I tend to do a lot the spiritual

1031
00:41:58,099 --> 00:41:55,650
in the paranormal community we do a lot

1032
00:42:01,789 --> 00:41:58,109
of protection sense like lavender and

1033
00:42:04,579 --> 00:42:01,799
Cecil reduce and Ord we do a lot of the

1034
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,589
earthy natural oils and natural

1035
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,440
materials okay when I think of a

1036
00:42:11,059 --> 00:42:09,720
cleansing as a scent I tend to think of

1037
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,069
vanilla but is that correct or not

1038
00:42:15,529 --> 00:42:13,440
vanilla is cleansing but also anything

1039
00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:15,539
with lemongrass or lime or citrus and it

1040
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:17,000
is cleansing

1041
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,640
and lavender and sea salt for protection

1042
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:21,680
okay and what is there anything of this

1043
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:23,510
see these scents sandal but like the

1044
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,850
European do the original original

1045
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:27,440
inhabitants have their own sense that

1046
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:29,930
they used as well yes I think they did a

1047
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:32,390
lot of the earthy sense likes and awards

1048
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,150
seed a lot of the woody dirty type ones

1049
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:37,760
are very very much so and what what the

1050
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:38,930
people normally come to you they could

1051
00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:40,610
say that I've just feeling a bit out of

1052
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:43,070
sorts lately you'd recommend them or

1053
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:44,870
what I like somebody was a bit flat bit

1054
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:46,610
down or needed a bit of a lift I'd

1055
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:48,410
recommend serenity which is lemongrass

1056
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,450
and ginger okay when I hear a bit about

1057
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:52,160
is your Langer you're laying is that one

1058
00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:54,740
that's in up into it kind of 10 you

1059
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:55,790
learn your language if you want a nice

1060
00:42:59,680 --> 00:42:57,710
night at home with your partner that's

1061
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:59,690
the try % you know we were very right

1062
00:43:03,310 --> 00:43:01,220
music but if you learn your lines it's

1063
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:03,320
the Barry White sent your LAN your leg

1064
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:05,510
okay well and thank you for being so

1065
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:06,950
adult and open with me about that one

1066
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:08,420
day well I hope you have a good day and

1067
00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:09,710
I think you can do very well a lot of

1068
00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:11,120
people trying them out thank you very

1069
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:12,620
much thank you thank you for your time

1070
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:15,710
thank you yeah well as you know I've

1071
00:43:18,910 --> 00:43:17,210
been hot on the very nice because this

1072
00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:18,920
place does smell fantastic today we've

1073
00:43:22,510 --> 00:43:21,020
got lovely sense and is what you've got

1074
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:22,520
here a mixture everything I can smell oh

1075
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:23,930
is that one particular scent that's

1076
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:28,040
coming across I believe it's the goddess

1077
00:43:33,310 --> 00:43:30,950
type fragrance over there and we've also

1078
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:33,320
got nag champa and we've got a few other

1079
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:36,050
things like monkey farts chocolate I'd

1080
00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:40,430
say nice ok now what mixture would be in

1081
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:42,230
the goddess would there be some it your

1082
00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:45,410
Langley laying in that yes um I believe

1083
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:48,740
is that along with some patchouli and I

1084
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:50,420
can't think of the rest of the top of my

1085
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:52,520
head but surely always a classic always

1086
00:43:56,290 --> 00:43:54,080
takes anyone back to the 70s almost

1087
00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:56,300
immediately and as we think of like but

1088
00:44:00,310 --> 00:43:57,800
surely with the 70s is a more

1089
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:00,320
contemporary sent that is sort of newish

1090
00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:02,030
I mean do you get any new sense coming

1091
00:44:07,810 --> 00:44:04,900
out or not was it just mix them together

1092
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:07,820
there are always new sense coming out

1093
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:10,130
but a lot of people stick to some of the

1094
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:13,010
oldies and goodies yes now just between

1095
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:14,420
you and me and listening audience what's

1096
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:17,240
your favorite ok I'll absolutely love

1097
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:19,960
lemon myrtle fragrance it's beautiful

1098
00:44:27,529 --> 00:44:24,390
invigorating or relaxing from me

1099
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:27,539
II it's I like the citrusy type of

1100
00:44:33,019 --> 00:44:30,990
fragrance so I like that yeah and for

1101
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,029
the purest at home is it best to get the

1102
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,880
oil and then have a candle burner under

1103
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:37,500
it or have it in a candle what's the

1104
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:38,940
best way to get you sent out into the

1105
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:43,440
world you could go for melts which have

1106
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:45,210
all the fragrance in it so like the old

1107
00:44:48,529 --> 00:44:47,220
oil burner don't use the oils anymore

1108
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,539
because there could be a bit dangerous

1109
00:44:53,059 --> 00:44:50,460
Thank You Seth idea curtains and whoops

1110
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:53,069
there goes the house yes exactly so um

1111
00:44:57,799 --> 00:44:55,049
you can you can get melts in lots of

1112
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,809
different fragrances and then yeah just

1113
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:00,119
pop the little tea light in the melt

1114
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,430
warmer and away your guy aromatherapy

1115
00:45:05,299 --> 00:45:04,200
and when most people come up here what

1116
00:45:07,549 --> 00:45:05,309
do they normally ask you about they're

1117
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,559
going on feeling a bit flat I'm feeling

1118
00:45:13,009 --> 00:45:09,119
a bit sad i want to get happy as it as

1119
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,019
vague as that um not really and we're

1120
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:15,359
about using natural products and stuff

1121
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,609
here so a lot of the people are into

1122
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:20,160
that and using natural things our soaps

1123
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:23,010
a palm free so good for the environment

1124
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,359
as well so yeah they're all about

1125
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:29,220
natural alternatives thank you have a

1126
00:45:34,579 --> 00:45:32,250
good day look I'm at the rather

1127
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:34,589
poetically named mrs. Mulligan's ghostly

1128
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:37,049
whispers of old buruma now spoken some

1129
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,819
people from my hometown of Newcastle

1130
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:40,680
some people from katoomba and what's

1131
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:44,250
spooky about Burma well there's a lot

1132
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:47,640
that spooky about Burma and since you're

1133
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,529
a skeptic you just come along and see it

1134
00:45:52,940 --> 00:45:51,180
for yourself we'll see i'm actually a

1135
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,950
loose-leaf skeptic which means i get

1136
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,480
freaked out very easily you could just

1137
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:56,160
put me in the dark anywhere in a new

1138
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:57,960
building that no one's ever been into

1139
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:00,690
and I'd be scared on my own well that's

1140
00:46:05,059 --> 00:46:02,700
the case i would suggest you're not

1141
00:46:07,009 --> 00:46:05,069
really a skeptic because you get scared

1142
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:07,019
i think i'm just a scaredy cat I think

1143
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:08,400
that's more actually what I am of a

1144
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,140
nervous disposition well what's your

1145
00:46:16,009 --> 00:46:12,839
favorite building to take people through

1146
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:16,019
I take people through the courthouse on

1147
00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:18,599
all my tools because there's a lot of

1148
00:46:22,789 --> 00:46:20,849
activity there and a lot of paranormal

1149
00:46:25,759 --> 00:46:22,799
teams have been through and made

1150
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:25,769
readings and had voices speaking to them

1151
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:30,210
and all sorts of things happening also

1152
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:32,430
go to the front of the jail so those two

1153
00:46:35,779 --> 00:46:34,200
sites are probably the most popular with

1154
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:35,789
people because there's a lot more

1155
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:38,670
stories about those two sites than the

1156
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:41,190
other parts of town you think we

1157
00:46:43,729 --> 00:46:42,569
actually have to be to summit area where

1158
00:46:45,259 --> 00:46:43,739
there's actually been deaths to

1159
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:45,269
experience something or you can be to an

1160
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:46,890
area where there's just been events that

1161
00:46:54,739 --> 00:46:50,190
have not involved to death both because

1162
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:54,749
i think when spirits are present it's

1163
00:47:03,349 --> 00:46:59,579
because they did and events because some

1164
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:03,359
energy is left behind that can be quite

1165
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,249
potent in one place in burma a few weeks

1166
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:10,440
ago we saw things that i can only

1167
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:14,729
describe as highly negative energies and

1168
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:17,670
i don't know why but i do know that at

1169
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,609
that building children were beaten can

1170
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:22,200
you explain what way it manifested

1171
00:47:30,229 --> 00:47:26,099
itself yes first of all we saw some

1172
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:30,239
white shapes and I didn't feel anything

1173
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:32,729
specifically wrong with those like it

1174
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:36,390
was just who shaped but then there was

1175
00:47:40,969 --> 00:47:38,130
this blood red thing that turned up

1176
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:40,979
about the size of a grizzly bear on all

1177
00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:44,130
fours and it was definitely for me I

1178
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:47,309
felt it was very threatening and we

1179
00:47:50,959 --> 00:47:48,900
didn't want to go close to it and we

1180
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:50,969
left actually because it was actually

1181
00:47:54,859 --> 00:47:53,369
really nasty um yeah that does sound the

1182
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:54,869
kind of thing that would make me never

1183
00:47:58,789 --> 00:47:57,450
get back into that building again we

1184
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,799
didn't go inside a building it was

1185
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:00,780
outside of building yeah

1186
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,250
and it was just about less than 10 feet

1187
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:08,640
from us and it was definitely very very

1188
00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:11,880
strange and in fact I kept thinking it

1189
00:48:16,610 --> 00:48:13,620
was demonic but i mean i have no proof

1190
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:16,620
of that so a group of people all saw

1191
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:19,740
this at the same time five of us okay

1192
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:23,370
what time of the evening was it about

1193
00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:26,760
nine thirty in the evening and it was

1194
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:31,620
about in july i think or early august so

1195
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:33,270
it was recently uh answer the place

1196
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,950
you'd been to a number of times this is

1197
00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:36,000
the only time you've had that experience

1198
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:39,060
there yes definitely I've never seen

1199
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:41,010
anything quite like this thing it was

1200
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:45,000
really quite strange and I felt a bit

1201
00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:46,500
unnerved bite and I'm not usually

1202
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,600
unnerved by that kind of thing I can

1203
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:50,700
certainly understand it so what would

1204
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:52,770
make you go back there again that's the

1205
00:49:01,100 --> 00:48:59,040
question I'd have to ask gasps would any

1206
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:01,110
sort of religious beliefs make it easier

1207
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:02,850
to go back or would a non religious

1208
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:04,170
belief make it easier to go back it

1209
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:06,510
could work either way really well even

1210
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:10,110
though I had a religious belief system I

1211
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:14,790
don't put any beliefs in my work I come

1212
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:17,370
at it as an impartial person I'm

1213
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:21,300
interested in a number of things so

1214
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:23,010
there's no religion doesn't enter into

1215
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:25,230
it okay and what do you think people are

1216
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:26,670
mainly looking for when they come along

1217
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:28,290
do they have something in their mind

1218
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:31,010
when they're going on your tours

1219
00:49:35,290 --> 00:49:32,990
I'm I think a lot of people just come

1220
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:35,300
along for entertainment and there's

1221
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:38,450
nothing wrong with that so try to be

1222
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:40,430
entertaining naturally and also what

1223
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:42,590
these ghost tours are and I'd like

1224
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:44,180
menteng if they're also good history

1225
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,970
tours exactly i'm passionate about a

1226
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,760
history of berrima so people actually

1227
00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:51,920
get a historical tour as well as a good

1228
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:55,400
store and i find the two combined anyway

1229
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:56,630
because when you're talking about

1230
00:50:00,820 --> 00:49:59,330
hangings and the people who have come

1231
00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:00,830
back from hangings if you know what I

1232
00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:03,470
mean and then some of them is still

1233
00:50:08,050 --> 00:50:05,750
around we've got at least three that I

1234
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,060
know of that be a bit cranky that'd be a

1235
00:50:13,050 --> 00:50:10,240
bit you know put out so to speak

1236
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,060
actually they treat me work really well

1237
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,010
however they have treated other people

1238
00:50:23,069 --> 00:50:21,420
well what can I say violently I

1239
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:23,079
mentioned that they wouldn't react well

1240
00:50:30,359 --> 00:50:26,380
to authority figures it doesn't actually

1241
00:50:32,609 --> 00:50:30,369
just have to be authority figures but no

1242
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,619
it's um I think a lot of people that

1243
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:34,960
come on my toes like the entertainment

1244
00:50:40,289 --> 00:50:37,930
but some of them I just diehard ghost

1245
00:50:41,309 --> 00:50:40,299
fans okay well if you have a good day

1246
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:41,319
here and I'm sure you're going to be a

1247
00:50:45,539 --> 00:50:43,170
lot of interesting people right you too

1248
00:50:48,089 --> 00:50:45,549
i'm here with the ghost hunters down

1249
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:48,099
under in the exhibition space room hey

1250
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:49,359
you just under the air-conditioning

1251
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:50,470
there which means you get a bit of a

1252
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:52,150
cold breeze coming down on your

1253
00:50:56,190 --> 00:50:54,250
continuously now we're too hot so that's

1254
00:50:57,539 --> 00:50:56,200
all right call us down a bit now where

1255
00:50:59,039 --> 00:50:57,549
do you guys work with where's your

1256
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,049
stomping ground stomping ground its

1257
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:02,079
Manny Parra matter katoomba yeah and

1258
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,970
what's your favorite building to work in

1259
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:05,200
I've asked a lot of the ghost hunters

1260
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:06,400
everyone's got their favorite building

1261
00:51:10,019 --> 00:51:07,930
with a good historical background what's

1262
00:51:11,759 --> 00:51:10,029
your favorite it's not so much a

1263
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:11,769
building it's actually a cemetery we're

1264
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,250
currently using ride cemetery well okay

1265
00:51:20,609 --> 00:51:17,200
and what's gone on in there over the

1266
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:20,619
years a lot of things not so many years

1267
00:51:24,749 --> 00:51:23,170
we've only just started this this year

1268
00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:24,759
March this year and then what's the

1269
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:26,430
history of the place a lot of

1270
00:51:35,069 --> 00:51:31,150
poltergeist a lot of was it called a

1271
00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:35,079
Ouija board action and a lot of cults

1272
00:51:39,329 --> 00:51:37,750
okay so so we were talking poltergeist

1273
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:39,339
activity things getting moved around in

1274
00:51:44,849 --> 00:51:41,230
there that what goes on yes fings phone

1275
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:44,859
they were being pushed things happening

1276
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:49,480
to people's cars history of a couple who

1277
00:51:53,579 --> 00:51:51,910
just went to a funeral there their car

1278
00:51:56,759 --> 00:51:53,589
had something wrong with it they plowed

1279
00:51:58,529 --> 00:51:56,769
into a tree they both died okay so yeah

1280
00:52:00,960 --> 00:51:58,539
this is a lot of it's a pretty spooky

1281
00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:00,970
spot and what do people normally hope to

1282
00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:01,990
see when they come unlock with you

1283
00:52:04,289 --> 00:52:03,190
because sometimes people can know I'm

1284
00:52:06,180 --> 00:52:04,299
going to see something pretty amazing

1285
00:52:07,859 --> 00:52:06,190
and you know and often they get just a

1286
00:52:09,809 --> 00:52:07,869
really good history to it and some great

1287
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:09,819
stories not necessarily I mean we've got

1288
00:52:17,069 --> 00:52:13,630
a lot of sensitives on our team and we

1289
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:17,079
also have an empath ok so a lot of

1290
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:18,690
people are going to get raw remote

1291
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,369
and a lot of visual visual experiences

1292
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:25,619
through the sensitive that we have our

1293
00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:29,099
team so they will call out something and

1294
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:31,560
we'll go there and yeah and nine times

1295
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:35,810
at n my partner here she's a clairvoyant

1296
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:39,569
so she is yeah very accurate and what

1297
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:41,099
time than I do normally take people to

1298
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:43,430
the cemetery as late as possible but

1299
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:46,680
yeah we try and do as well in three

1300
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:48,119
o'clock in the afternoon not very useful

1301
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,859
i don't think now just a couple of

1302
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:51,839
school kids cutting through yes no or

1303
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,660
eight o'clock on words basically it's

1304
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:55,980
about free four o'clock in the morning

1305
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,510
okay look have a good day here it

1306
00:53:00,319 --> 00:52:58,800
certainly came to a great place for it

1307
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,329
yes I we've already investigated this

1308
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:02,400
area before with a documentary with Abby

1309
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:03,960
yes it's going to be screened tonight

1310
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:05,670
isn't it yes we are actually credited

1311
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:08,010
for most of the EVPs and rational in it

1312
00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:10,050
so right now what do you find is the

1313
00:53:15,050 --> 00:53:13,319
best device on way to get an EVP just a

1314
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,060
standard voice recorder like you you

1315
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,400
have there the tascam 360 Mike I

1316
00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:19,500
entirely and how do you get the wide

1317
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:22,560
wide range frequency just basically just

1318
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:24,510
yeah place it down anywhere and just let

1319
00:53:29,059 --> 00:53:27,060
it record okay we set it up the decibels

1320
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,069
up too high and just leave a room leave

1321
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:31,859
the room and let it go okay well you

1322
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:33,089
have a great day it's good to meet other

1323
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:34,500
people in the industry too isn't it it's

1324
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,329
it's the ghost busting industry here is

1325
00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:38,640
is very fun and it's glad to finally

1326
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:40,230
meet people who we've added on facebook

1327
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:43,319
and yeah it's awesome thank you thank

1328
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:47,550
you bye bye okay yeah well i'm here at

1329
00:53:52,339 --> 00:53:50,250
the UM UFO and paranormal research

1330
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,349
society of australia and who we got here

1331
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:55,440
no rain I go from campbelltown of what

1332
00:54:00,620 --> 00:53:57,420
kind of can't areas campbelltown for

1333
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:00,630
paranormal and UFO activity it's hot

1334
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:02,230
spot okay

1335
00:54:07,890 --> 00:54:04,990
I'll suku sing do and why do you think

1336
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:07,900
it's necessarily a an anomalous hotspot

1337
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:13,359
I think because it's a rural area is

1338
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,210
there a particularly historical spot

1339
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:18,160
that has a bit of a history that people

1340
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:20,790
tend to keep seeing things out yes

1341
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:32,160
our gang area of the mountain is around

1342
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:35,369
Barker's lodge road picked an area

1343
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:38,260
there's a lot of sightings from those

1344
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:40,810
areas yeah I know a lot of people want

1345
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:42,310
to see UFOs but it's not the kind of

1346
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:44,530
thing you can go and see you've kind of

1347
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:46,450
got to have it happen really haven't you

1348
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:49,570
we do conduct night watches with our

1349
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:53,050
members in the areas the Barrow gang

1350
00:54:59,130 --> 00:54:57,760
look out around the mountains and what's

1351
00:55:03,300 --> 00:54:59,140
your website in case people want to get

1352
00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:03,310
in contact with you it's www UFO society

1353
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:06,580
dotnet don't know you and have you got a

1354
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:09,220
favorite UFO spotting in the worldwide

1355
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:11,140
history of the phenomenon is there one

1356
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,210
that you go that's pretty out there oh

1357
00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:16,000
yes definitely the blue mountains around

1358
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:19,960
Hill and let's go alright and when's the

1359
00:55:24,810 --> 00:55:21,630
best one happened there that you know of

1360
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:24,820
I've had a sighting myself in the Barrow

1361
00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:29,130
gang area and yeah we we've captured

1362
00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:34,660
anomalous craft or anomalous lights long

1363
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:37,480
reef is another area the northern shores

1364
00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:38,770
yeah

1365
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:40,420
look thank you very much for your time

1366
00:56:06,150 --> 00:55:41,650
today I'm gonna have a look at the video

1367
00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:08,560
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1368
00:56:13,570 --> 00:56:10,520
zone what an interesting episode that

1369
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:13,580
was more from the paranormal convention

1370
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:14,990
with the interviews with other people

1371
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:17,360
coming up next week because Maynard was

1372
00:56:22,270 --> 00:56:18,890
so busy got so many interviews and

1373
00:56:23,830 --> 00:56:22,280
they're also very interesting and if you

1374
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:23,840
remember from last week's episode

1375
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:25,730
Michael Marshall was telling us about

1376
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:28,910
the chap who was her and harassed out

1377
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:32,780
the front of a sally morgan venue by her

1378
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:34,970
husband well that's certainly blown up

1379
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:36,140
in last week if you've been following

1380
00:56:43,330 --> 00:56:40,310
social media the video of this man being

1381
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:43,340
harassed by Sally Morgan's husband has

1382
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,730
gone viral it's it's quite eye-opening

1383
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:49,280
and congratulations to Michael Marshall

1384
00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:54,170
and his friends in the UK for being on

1385
00:56:59,350 --> 00:56:56,300
the case in this matters it's good to

1386
00:57:01,180 --> 00:56:59,360
see Matt before i go and because people

1387
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,190
keep requesting it yes it's time to roll

1388
00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:02,720
the dice again but this time it's not a

1389
00:57:09,250 --> 00:57:05,380
20-sided dice no no no no it's not a six

1390
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:09,260
not even a six it's a four I found a

1391
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:10,609
four sided dice in the shop the other

1392
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:14,090
day so um for those people who never get

1393
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:16,460
the right number here's a good chance no

1394
00:57:20,609 --> 00:57:18,950
boy here's a good chance indeed so folks

1395
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:20,619
think of a number one two three or four

1396
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:27,530
here it comes one how many people

1397
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:29,480
thought of the number one want to do it

1398
00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:31,310
again well those people who thought of

1399
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:33,260
the number one here we go one two three

1400
00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:41,030
four two so if you predicted a one and

1401
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:45,320
then a two well done but for this week

1402
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:48,470
with Dyson hand this is Richard Saunders

1403
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:55,250
signing off from Sydney Australia you've

1404
00:58:02,680 --> 00:57:57,650
been listening to the skeptic zone

1405
00:58:05,710 --> 00:58:02,690
visit our website at www skipped exam TV

1406
00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:05,720
for comments contacts and extra video

1407
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:24,980
you haven't heard the peanuts on it goes

1408
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:29,040
I'm a peanut small and round lying on

1409
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:32,490
the cold hard ground everybody steps on